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Matt Ball's avatar

Aiden, thanks so much for continuing to argue for practical, pragmatic ways of making a difference.

My concern, after being vegetarian for almost 40 years and being in advocacy for over 30, is that I don't see any indication *in the actual per-capita consumption numbers* of paying for advocacy working.

A specific look at data (first quote): https://www.mattball.org/2024/11/for-your-consideration-exchange-re.html

Actual meat reduction and an increase in per-capita animal consumption: https://www.onestepforanimals.org/blog/meat-reduction-hurts-animals

I think this might be a better cheat code. https://www.onestepforanimals.org/about.html

Or not. TY again for avoiding the "GO VEGAN OR GO F YOURSELF" mindset.

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Akber Khan's avatar

You should be vegan and offset, because the goal isn't offsetting your bad deeds with good deeds, that's not how morality works, it's not accounting. The goal is maximizing the good.

I can understand someone who tries in earnest to go vegan and has difficulty, isn't perfect, makes exceptions etc. I know people like that and I show them grace and I encourage them because that's the right thing to do.

But if someone said to me that they think their "offsetting" absolves them of the wrongdoing they commit, or that there's some cancelling out of these two acts - I'm sorry but that's moronic. Even the Catholic Church got rid of indulgences in the 16th century.

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